[UPDATED] Player Held Contests - Rules

Player Contest Rules Clarification






We’ve received feedback from Moderators and the communities on multiple Howrse games requesting clarification of the rules for player hosted contests and giveaways, specifically with offering horses as prizes.

Addendum: We've updated this thread to be in sync with the rules recap thread posted last week.


Current rules

We allow players to host contests and giveaways according to the following rules:

  • You cannot require entrance fees or donations

  • You can give in-game prizes (Only those which can be done via the gifting options already within the game)

  • You cannot give Equus or passes as prizes

  • You do not have to give prizes

  • Your contest can only be posted on your presentation page or in your EC forum.


Review of rules

Some players want to offer horses as prizes and would like to know if this is allowed. We reviewed contests held on each version, and we identified the following:

On some versions, it has not been allowed for horses to be used as prizes; since the game does not include a tool for gifting horses. Selling a horse to a player costs them a fee to gain their prize. This falls within the Item and Pass Trafficking rules that are not allowed.

##UPDATED: Rule changes

As a compromise, we will allow players to offer horses as prizes so long as the cost of the horse is the minimum amount that can be set - 500e. Since this is also considered a private agreement between players, we will not support these transactions. Contests are entered at your own risk and it is up to the contest holders to deliver the promised prizes.

In addition to the contest rules mentioned above, we have added the following:

- You can offer a horse as a prize provided the cost does not exceed 500 Equus.
- The horse offered as a prize can have Black Market items.
- Contest holders can ask but not require that participants re-post their contest banners.


We no longer allow you to offer horses as prizes as there is no mechanism in the game to gift a horse to another player for free.

Players who do not follow the rules are exposed to sanctions. For any questions, we encourage you to ask us directly via "Contact Us."


Last Updated: 03/30/2018

Regards,

The Howrse Team
cailow
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Why is the updated stuff crossed out...?
henslk1
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Crossed out = rules have been updated(removed) to equalize the servers.

Seems many servers did not allow horses to be included in giveaways so those that did are being updated to remove that permission and to align the player run giveaway rules with the Spring Cleaning rules refresher. It's to equalize all servers, basically.
boobrrypiegrl
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As if they didn't make enough people angry before...
henslk1
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If some servers did not allow horses in player giveaways then they would have been "angry" at servers that did allow it. Rule wise it was really never allowed(it's trafficking) so they are just correcting things to bring back equalization of rules across all servers.
boobrrypiegrl
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PS.. if you have concerns , comments, suggestions... please use Contact Us.
boobrrypiegrl
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I assume this is only for having a giveaway and not for teams and friends in general? So it will not be a problem when i just want to give horses away to friends for 500 equus?

I must say that all this new posts and stuff are truly confusing since the topics are everywhere on the forum, not just in 1 message... So many people never even watch the forum.
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By Retired breeder, 28th March 2018 16:41:58
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So why disallow it on all servers? It would have been just as easy and made EVERYONE happier to have it allowed on all. What with all these rule changes and how many people are angry it would have given us something to be happy about to know that we can do as we please with our horses. Also, it is not traffic. Giveaways are usually held to say thanks and help out other players. Horses are given to help players and usually the winners are chosen at random, meaning everyone has the chance to benefit and progress their game on both a fair as well as fun manner. Personally I love giveaways and I collect trophies so I have more use for horses than I do bmis and other items
You'd need to ask admins.

My guess is that the current TOS has trafficking rules and so offering a horse/divine/pass horse as a prize is technically rule breaking. So.. unless they decide to change to TOS all servers will need to come into balance and maintain the same rules accordingly.
boobrrypiegrl
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To be honest i think it is better that they answer the player questions here? Why do we need to make tickets when we have a forum to ask questions on? If one person asks something everyone can see it here, so then it is directly clear for everyone.default smiley (8)

I am not talking about hosting a giveaway but over normal sales and offering help to others.

They made a team fuction to sell team horses to other members, so now the rules are against something they did bring into the game themselves? And also if i want to breed foals and sell them to a friend for 500 equus without getting BMI or other stuff back this is now not allowed anymore?

Why make horses sellable then if we are not even allowed to help friends and team members anymore... I don't bother giveaway rules and other stuff but i would like it a lot if i can sell my horses to whoever i want for what price i want, as long as i don't get other horses or BMI items for it back i follow all the rules i guess.default smiley 8-)
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Admin can't patrol the forums 24/7. Questions can be missed. And ....as I am having to eat my words in regards to some things(like these player giveaway rules) it's best to ask them directly so that there's a clear response and no missed questions.
boobrrypiegrl
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Someone messaged them with your question, Fendi.

The admin responded saying you are allowed to sell horses to people/friends for 500e.


THIS is exactly why these things should be answered in forums. This isn't a PM sent out. This is a forum topic SPECIFICALLY about what our concern is over, posted by the Howrse team themselves. All that aside, it'd really remove a lot of repetitive questions they probably already get, if this stuff was answered publicly. Word of mouth only goes so far default smiley (8)default smiley (8)
henslk1
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Ever played the Telephone game" ? Word of mouth has a habit of changing the meaning from one person to the next so it's best to hear it directly from the admin and they've asked that questions be directed to them.

Cailow wrote:

For any questions, we encourage you to ask us directly via "Contact Us."
boobrrypiegrl
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default smiley :$ This really makes me soooooooooo sad !

My feeling is that especially the players that never have cheated are feeling the most unsecure now. Others always knew they were cheating and could be sanctioned.

Nobody will dare to help others in the future if they are not sure if this could be a break of rules. And this helping hand is the thing that makes this game fun !
Who has fun to be at the top all alone ? It´s the community - the working together, the helping of each other that makes it nice. It´s NO payment to help team-mates with filler-horses, or with needed BMIs or with distributing passes one of the team got while all helped to be able to get those passes.

I am allowed to sell a divine for 500 equus in the public - but not to gift it in a giveaway ?

So what can I gift anymore in giveaways ? No passes, no horses ?

- reserved sales are allowed !
- I can decide which price I want !

But I am NOT allowed to reserve a horse for 500 equus in a giveaway to a person I chose ?

For me this "compromise" we had was totally perfect ! It was was everyone would expect to be allowed to do. Stopping help from one player to others will not cause that players who don´t get help will start to buy passes - it will cause that players who DID spent lots of passes won´t do that anymore and will think about quitting. I already stopped to give passes for the last divines when I saw it´s only luck - I spent over 100 passes for 1 divine without getting it. There isn´t even a number of spent passes anymore that allowes you to buy the divine in reserved sales. I have many friends here that are thinking about quitting or already have - this could also be a reason for more people quitting , because best friends are missed.

I don´t think that is is good to say everyone should use contact us - when you always don´t get clear answers in these things.

There will be more words as "in general", or "in a decent way " so you will stay unsecure .
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By Retired breeder, 29th March 2018 01:42:52
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Fendi wrote:

To be honest i think it is better that they answer the player questions here? Why do we need to make tickets when we have a forum to ask questions on? If one person asks something everyone can see it here, so then it is directly clear for everyone.default smiley (8)

Agreed!
Half the time it takes days, and the questions go unanswered and they tell us to only message and submit a ticket to something else not related as they think their answer clears everything up when it doesn't. It's very frustrating. Having a topic to answer them under is best as everyone can see it.
I don't mind to wait like a day, or two for my answer from an Admin - if it is via the forums. As mentioned above the ticket service is not always a 100% clear and still this is a community so that means that it is not just 1 person playing but way more people.

Also said is that people can easely change something an Admin sayd in their helpdesk ticket so if they just answer us on the forums it is clear for everyone and nobody should have to get big question marks in their head.

For me, this game is a total '???' now with what is allowed and what not, and under what terms things are allowed. First new rules, then they are Crossed Out again and then there is something with other servers having other rules. All this changes make everything so very unclear.default smiley (8)

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Good i can sell horses for 500 equus to a friend if i want to. But then the following; When i sell like 250 horses for 500 equus i am a 100% sure they sanction me for trafficking or something. At this point i rather do not even attempt to help friends because i don't want to be banned the 10th because 'the system' thinks i am trafficking becouse i sell big bunches of horses for low prices.

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I always liked the comunity and team aspects on Howrse and that is exactly what they take away now big time. Normaly i would help teammates with free skillers and donate their BMI when they needed some for skillers or other perposes, and they helped me when they wanted and i needed something. Now, i do not even want to help them becouse then i get punished for trafficking? To be honest i want to help them but i'm just afraid i somewhere in the deap blue cross a line and get my account banned i spend so much money and time on.

I don't care about the Events anymore becouse most Divines are totaly not worth it. I used to buy myself to the end of the event to get them all, i quit with that months ago becouse they don't add something to my gae other then a free low BMI item the most times. It is all about friendship and having fun, playing in a nice community... and now this.

What about friendship? Loyalty? Teamwork? The community in general? default smiley *-)
fendi
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By Retired breeder, 29th March 2018 07:41:50
Fendi wrote:

I don't mind to wait like a day, or two for my answer from an Admin - if it is via the forums. As mentioned above the ticket service is not always a 100% clear and still this is a community so that means that it is not just 1 person playing but way more people.

Also said is that people can easely change something an Admin sayd in their helpdesk ticket so if they just answer us on the forums it is clear for everyone and nobody should have to get big question marks in their head.

For me, this game is a total '???' now with what is allowed and what not, and under what terms things are allowed. First new rules, then they are Crossed Out again and then there is something with other servers having other rules. All this changes make everything so very unclear.default smiley (8)

--
Good i can sell horses for 500 equus to a friend if i want to. But then the following; When i sell like 250 horses for 500 equus i am a 100% sure they sanction me for trafficking or something. At this point i rather do not even attempt to help friends because i don't want to be banned the 10th because 'the system' thinks i am trafficking becouse i sell big bunches of horses for low prices.

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I always liked the comunity and team aspects on Howrse and that is exactly what they take away now big time. Normaly i would help teammates with free skillers and donate their BMI when they needed some for skillers or other perposes, and they helped me when they wanted and i needed something. Now, i do not even want to help them becouse then i get punished for trafficking? To be honest i want to help them but i'm just afraid i somewhere in the deap blue cross a line and get my account banned i spend so much money and time on.

I don't care about the Events anymore becouse most Divines are totaly not worth it. I used to buy myself to the end of the event to get them all, i quit with that months ago becouse they don't add something to my gae other then a free low BMI item the most times. It is all about friendship and having fun, playing in a nice community... and now this.

What about friendship? Loyalty? Teamwork? The community in general? default smiley *-)


YES!!! THIS!!!!
Hello everyone,

I've added a line to the original post to help clarify. As of now, we're not allowing horses to be prizes in any giveaways because there is no method to gift a horse for free. This conflicts with the other giveaway rules that state you can only give prizes that can be gifted in the game.

There is no way to give another player a horse for free. The ability to give horses as prizes was an exception that not all other servers enjoyed. As we're making an effort to bring them all in-line with one another, we are removing this exception.

If you have a horse-prize contest in progress you can either a.) change the prize now and inform the contestants. b.) risk the sanction and finish the contest as planned.

We will certainly take into consideration if the contest began before we updated these rules. However, if you decide to risk a sanction to give away one last horse, I recommend that you do it right now and do not wait until the contest was scheduled to end (especially if it is after April 10).

IMPORTANT NOTE: the 'sanction' for giving away a single horse in a giveaway is NOT an instant ban. It would be treated as a trafficking offense.

Since there are players that do not always visit the forums, I will recommend that we create a PM for players to let them know of this change.

Thanks again for your understanding and feedback.

-ZOwey
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Hello,

This change really only affects player offering horses as a giveaway prize.

You can still sell a horse to a friend for 500e, use the team functions, etc. Trafficking rules still apply, but this update doesn't change any of that.

-ZOwey
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Oh, that is a bummer. )):

I was just planning a contest, and came to the forums to check the rules. Now, I will have to rethink the terms of my contests. Can I ask here which prizes other players would like to get?
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